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		<title>By: RJB</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/the-disciplinary-terrain-of-objections-to-hts/#comment-5437</link>
		<dc:creator>RJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this debate very interesting and stimulated by a good initial question. I am a psychologist and considered applying for an HTS role but was unable to due to my nationality (a Brit living in the US), and to my feelings that without specific cultural experience that I would not be helpful. As a psychologist I am also bound by a strict code fo ethical conduct for the treatment of my subject matter (people), this is not unique to anthropology. I also use methods in my own work that fall somewhere in between the long term participant observation and the 2 hour psychology experiment in the lab. I do field work. I do field work with the military looking at ways to improve the design of technologies to help them do their work. My methodology falls very clearly into the same realms of the methdos used for HTS (as I understand them from my readings). I have ethical responsibilities to the confidentiality/impact on my subject matter, however I also have my own ethical/moral compass with respect to the output of my work. Am I helping the military to kill people more effectively, or to do a better job of not killing people (friends and enemies). I choose to frame it as the latter and have never had a personal problem justifying it. One of the major arguments by AAA against HTS was the use to which the information was being gathered. At one point people believed that the information collected by HTS would be used to identify targets etc. The military replied by saying that this was not the primary purpose of the HTS. In some ways, how the information is used by the HTS is out of their hands and probably could be used for targeting or other &quot;lethal&quot; purposes. But that is not the primary role of the HTS nor something that I believe HTS volunteers signed up for. At one level, the ethical/moral question is an individual one that will guide individuals in how they conduct themselves while working for the HTS. I am confident that the majority of individuals are quite capable of making the right call themselves and don&#039;t need AAA to tell them how to behave. As professionals we all signed up to our various ethical codes of conduct. I support the HTS motivations and goals. I am suspicious of the AAA&#039;s motives and rationale for their attack. I also wonder whether anthropology also has a number of scientists who have their own social agendas (as there are psychologists) who have been the instigators of this position, with a majority recognizing the valuable input that the professional social scientists can make towards productive solutions to our (often man-made) problems. If we do solid, principled work, we can use social science for the good. I have to believe that that was what motivated the HTS. Call me naive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this debate very interesting and stimulated by a good initial question. I am a psychologist and considered applying for an HTS role but was unable to due to my nationality (a Brit living in the US), and to my feelings that without specific cultural experience that I would not be helpful. As a psychologist I am also bound by a strict code fo ethical conduct for the treatment of my subject matter (people), this is not unique to anthropology. I also use methods in my own work that fall somewhere in between the long term participant observation and the 2 hour psychology experiment in the lab. I do field work. I do field work with the military looking at ways to improve the design of technologies to help them do their work. My methodology falls very clearly into the same realms of the methdos used for HTS (as I understand them from my readings). I have ethical responsibilities to the confidentiality/impact on my subject matter, however I also have my own ethical/moral compass with respect to the output of my work. Am I helping the military to kill people more effectively, or to do a better job of not killing people (friends and enemies). I choose to frame it as the latter and have never had a personal problem justifying it. One of the major arguments by AAA against HTS was the use to which the information was being gathered. At one point people believed that the information collected by HTS would be used to identify targets etc. The military replied by saying that this was not the primary purpose of the HTS. In some ways, how the information is used by the HTS is out of their hands and probably could be used for targeting or other &#8220;lethal&#8221; purposes. But that is not the primary role of the HTS nor something that I believe HTS volunteers signed up for. At one level, the ethical/moral question is an individual one that will guide individuals in how they conduct themselves while working for the HTS. I am confident that the majority of individuals are quite capable of making the right call themselves and don&#8217;t need AAA to tell them how to behave. As professionals we all signed up to our various ethical codes of conduct. I support the HTS motivations and goals. I am suspicious of the AAA&#8217;s motives and rationale for their attack. I also wonder whether anthropology also has a number of scientists who have their own social agendas (as there are psychologists) who have been the instigators of this position, with a majority recognizing the valuable input that the professional social scientists can make towards productive solutions to our (often man-made) problems. If we do solid, principled work, we can use social science for the good. I have to believe that that was what motivated the HTS. Call me naive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I plan on attending in Philadelphia. Might as well attend one and I am sure their will be military anthropology and HTS papers to hear. I wish I had not missed the deadline to submit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I plan on attending in Philadelphia. Might as well attend one and I am sure their will be military anthropology and HTS papers to hear. I wish I had not missed the deadline to submit.</p>
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		<title>By: llwynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>llwynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 23:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Christopher, I think -- I could be wrong -- that if you go to an AAA annual meeting, you don&#039;t have to join to attend, just register.  (Either way it costs a ton of money!)  But if you do ever go (this year I think it&#039;s in Philadelphia), be sure to let me know so we can meet for drinks -- I owe you (at least) one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Christopher, I think &#8212; I could be wrong &#8212; that if you go to an AAA annual meeting, you don&#8217;t have to join to attend, just register.  (Either way it costs a ton of money!)  But if you do ever go (this year I think it&#8217;s in Philadelphia), be sure to let me know so we can meet for drinks &#8212; I owe you (at least) one.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher King</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/the-disciplinary-terrain-of-objections-to-hts/#comment-5430</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why I am going to chime in but here goes. I am a social scientist with HTS with a Ph.D. in anthropology. After reading some of this comments and question that come are below.

What constituents &quot;doing anthropology&quot;? I will only speak of my eight months of experience in Iraq as a social scientists for the HTS program, but in my experience, and from other social scientists have told me, long-term ethnography does not exist. We have exchanges with locals but repeated interaction (more than once and more than 30 minutes) is extremely rare.

I introduce myself as a social scientist and tell them exactly why I would like to talk with them. I do not take names nor even want to as it is unimportant to the mission of providing population perceptions. Individual opinion is irrelevant as notes are collapsed into lump population opinion. If they indicate they do not want to talk or if it looks like they are uncomfortable them we walk away. There are plenty of locals who want their voice heard and in my opinion they appreciate our openness.

So can anyone tell me the difference between doing &#039;anthropology&#039; and applying a method of qualitative assessment? Anthropology has not held the copyright on qualitative research for many decades now. If what we do is not anthropology then really all we have is a bunch of individuals who happen to be anthropologists protesting military actions. It will not have deleterious effects to anthropology as a discipline or individual research. I see HTS social scientists as doing qualitative assessments and not anthropology. Maybe my definition of cultural anthropology is to strict.

Also, good point about the archaeologist someone posted. It is also in my experience that whole discipline of anthropology is not at odds with HTS. Cultural anthropologists are more sensitive to it but they do not speak to biological anthropologist, archaeologists, and others. Granted, the AAA is the umbrella organization for American anthropology but I find it amusing that cultural anthropologists think they speak for the discipline-at-large. Maybe one day I may even join AAA- highly unlikely. Unless of course finally decide to attend a AAA conference and become forced to join just register to attend which I believe is the case. Correct if I am wrong on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why I am going to chime in but here goes. I am a social scientist with HTS with a Ph.D. in anthropology. After reading some of this comments and question that come are below.</p>
<p>What constituents &#8220;doing anthropology&#8221;? I will only speak of my eight months of experience in Iraq as a social scientists for the HTS program, but in my experience, and from other social scientists have told me, long-term ethnography does not exist. We have exchanges with locals but repeated interaction (more than once and more than 30 minutes) is extremely rare.</p>
<p>I introduce myself as a social scientist and tell them exactly why I would like to talk with them. I do not take names nor even want to as it is unimportant to the mission of providing population perceptions. Individual opinion is irrelevant as notes are collapsed into lump population opinion. If they indicate they do not want to talk or if it looks like they are uncomfortable them we walk away. There are plenty of locals who want their voice heard and in my opinion they appreciate our openness.</p>
<p>So can anyone tell me the difference between doing &#8216;anthropology&#8217; and applying a method of qualitative assessment? Anthropology has not held the copyright on qualitative research for many decades now. If what we do is not anthropology then really all we have is a bunch of individuals who happen to be anthropologists protesting military actions. It will not have deleterious effects to anthropology as a discipline or individual research. I see HTS social scientists as doing qualitative assessments and not anthropology. Maybe my definition of cultural anthropology is to strict.</p>
<p>Also, good point about the archaeologist someone posted. It is also in my experience that whole discipline of anthropology is not at odds with HTS. Cultural anthropologists are more sensitive to it but they do not speak to biological anthropologist, archaeologists, and others. Granted, the AAA is the umbrella organization for American anthropology but I find it amusing that cultural anthropologists think they speak for the discipline-at-large. Maybe one day I may even join AAA- highly unlikely. Unless of course finally decide to attend a AAA conference and become forced to join just register to attend which I believe is the case. Correct if I am wrong on this.</p>
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		<title>By: samarkeolog</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/the-disciplinary-terrain-of-objections-to-hts/#comment-4636</link>
		<dc:creator>samarkeolog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, sorry I&#039;m late in, but I just found this post.  I suspect one of the reasons anthropologists have been so vocal in their opposition is because the military/intelligence have been so vocal in their exploitation of anthropology, which has forced a response.

There has been internal discussion of archaeology&#039;s role in the HTS/counter-insurgency (although evidently not much, as my own search for it brought me here!), but a lot of intrigue/concern has foundered on the very &lt;i&gt;lack&lt;/i&gt; of information to sate it (so another reason so much more had been said about anthropology was &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; so much had been said, so much was known to be commented upon).

(I guess also sometimes archaeologists may be invisible, but nonetheless present in references to anthropologists, because of the American construction of archaeology as part of anthropology, rather than a distinct or historical discipline.)

What are archaeologists&#039; roles in counter-insurgency?  We know they&#039;re studying the historical record of insurgencies, so presumably archaeologists are doing that.  We know they&#039;re trying to win wars and maintain occupations, so presumably archaeologists are involved in that, too, identifying historically-strategic sites and strategies.

Perhaps one worry is that archaeologists have been co-opted, not just unwillingly, but &lt;i&gt;unknowingly&lt;/i&gt; (thereby precluding contemplation of that exploitation), when they&#039;ve appealed for cultural heritage protection, or they&#039;ve been approached for information ostensibly for cultural heritage protection, and Babylon has been militarised, Ur has been militarised.

I know that the archaeologists have good intentions, and I&#039;m sure that even some of the military do, but how are they using the information they&#039;re gathering?  Are they misusing it?  We don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt;, in an absolute sense, and that makes it difficult to debate the issue.

We would be debating hypotheticals without any hope of direction or resolution.  We could have the debate, but we wouldn&#039;t know what effect the hypothetical use of our knowledge was having; and we wouldn&#039;t know whether they were actually using our knowledge or not.

Even if we could agree that it was unethical to provide information that would be misused, we couldn&#039;t make them prove a negative (that they&#039;re not misusing our knowledge) as a prerequisite of helping to protect cultural heritage.  So, we&#039;re waiting on a revelation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, sorry I&#8217;m late in, but I just found this post.  I suspect one of the reasons anthropologists have been so vocal in their opposition is because the military/intelligence have been so vocal in their exploitation of anthropology, which has forced a response.</p>
<p>There has been internal discussion of archaeology&#8217;s role in the HTS/counter-insurgency (although evidently not much, as my own search for it brought me here!), but a lot of intrigue/concern has foundered on the very <i>lack</i> of information to sate it (so another reason so much more had been said about anthropology was <i>because</i> so much had been said, so much was known to be commented upon).</p>
<p>(I guess also sometimes archaeologists may be invisible, but nonetheless present in references to anthropologists, because of the American construction of archaeology as part of anthropology, rather than a distinct or historical discipline.)</p>
<p>What are archaeologists&#8217; roles in counter-insurgency?  We know they&#8217;re studying the historical record of insurgencies, so presumably archaeologists are doing that.  We know they&#8217;re trying to win wars and maintain occupations, so presumably archaeologists are involved in that, too, identifying historically-strategic sites and strategies.</p>
<p>Perhaps one worry is that archaeologists have been co-opted, not just unwillingly, but <i>unknowingly</i> (thereby precluding contemplation of that exploitation), when they&#8217;ve appealed for cultural heritage protection, or they&#8217;ve been approached for information ostensibly for cultural heritage protection, and Babylon has been militarised, Ur has been militarised.</p>
<p>I know that the archaeologists have good intentions, and I&#8217;m sure that even some of the military do, but how are they using the information they&#8217;re gathering?  Are they misusing it?  We don&#8217;t <i>know</i>, in an absolute sense, and that makes it difficult to debate the issue.</p>
<p>We would be debating hypotheticals without any hope of direction or resolution.  We could have the debate, but we wouldn&#8217;t know what effect the hypothetical use of our knowledge was having; and we wouldn&#8217;t know whether they were actually using our knowledge or not.</p>
<p>Even if we could agree that it was unethical to provide information that would be misused, we couldn&#8217;t make them prove a negative (that they&#8217;re not misusing our knowledge) as a prerequisite of helping to protect cultural heritage.  So, we&#8217;re waiting on a revelation.</p>
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		<title>By: qualintitative</title>
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		<dc:creator>qualintitative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea how to interpret the phrase &quot;our unique methodology.&quot;  Not sure how &quot;unique&quot; is modifying &quot;methodology&quot;.  Is the methodology unique in general?  That would pertain to all methods which are unique from each other in some way, so I doubt that is it.  Is the methodology unique because it is our only method?  That is not really true so I hesitate to assume that is how the word is being used.  Certainly many different methods are used by anthropologists besides participant observation.  Is it saying that the method is unique to anthropology?  That is not true either, so I don&#039;t know what to think.  However, since the comment is answering the question about why anthropologists are concerned about HTT and no other discipline has expressed similar concern, it would have to be one or both of the last two.  I think this comment is a good illustration of why anthropologists are reacting differently than other disciplines.  It shows a stereotypical view of research done by anthropologists where long-term participant observation is the one and only approach to methods.  Other social sciences have training in a variety of techniques for collecting and analyzing data.  They may specialize in particular methods, but they have a much broader exposure to a range of methodology and don&#039;t have their disciplinary identities tied to one approach to research.  The comments of many anthropologists about HTT that I have read seem to assume a lot about what they are doing and I&#039;m guessing it is based on this stereotypical view of research.  I sort of doubt that the HTT is able to cultivate warm ongoing relationships with research subjects.  That does not mean they are not doing anthropological research.  Anthropologists working in public health (and other areas) have used rapid ethnographic approaches for decades.  This research does not rely on long-term fieldwork.  My guess is that many anthropologists consider this not &quot;real&quot; anthropology, which makes my point about an approach to methods being tied to disciplinary identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea how to interpret the phrase &#8220;our unique methodology.&#8221;  Not sure how &#8220;unique&#8221; is modifying &#8220;methodology&#8221;.  Is the methodology unique in general?  That would pertain to all methods which are unique from each other in some way, so I doubt that is it.  Is the methodology unique because it is our only method?  That is not really true so I hesitate to assume that is how the word is being used.  Certainly many different methods are used by anthropologists besides participant observation.  Is it saying that the method is unique to anthropology?  That is not true either, so I don&#8217;t know what to think.  However, since the comment is answering the question about why anthropologists are concerned about HTT and no other discipline has expressed similar concern, it would have to be one or both of the last two.  I think this comment is a good illustration of why anthropologists are reacting differently than other disciplines.  It shows a stereotypical view of research done by anthropologists where long-term participant observation is the one and only approach to methods.  Other social sciences have training in a variety of techniques for collecting and analyzing data.  They may specialize in particular methods, but they have a much broader exposure to a range of methodology and don&#8217;t have their disciplinary identities tied to one approach to research.  The comments of many anthropologists about HTT that I have read seem to assume a lot about what they are doing and I&#8217;m guessing it is based on this stereotypical view of research.  I sort of doubt that the HTT is able to cultivate warm ongoing relationships with research subjects.  That does not mean they are not doing anthropological research.  Anthropologists working in public health (and other areas) have used rapid ethnographic approaches for decades.  This research does not rely on long-term fieldwork.  My guess is that many anthropologists consider this not &#8220;real&#8221; anthropology, which makes my point about an approach to methods being tied to disciplinary identity.</p>
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		<title>By: llwynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>llwynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great insight, Hugh.  I want to use it for my article.  Can I quote you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great insight, Hugh.  I want to use it for my article.  Can I quote you?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Gusterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Gusterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthropologists have been especially concerned about participating in the war in Iraq compared to members of other disciplines because of our unique methodology, which imposes unique ethical obligations.  Historians on the whole (Zachary is an exception) work with documents.  Psychologists interact with human subjects in a transitory, highly stylized way.  But anthropologists cultivate warm, ongoing relationships with research subjects when they do research well.  The AAA&#039;s statement on HTS said nothing about the legality or justness of the war; it fretted about obligations to human subjects, some of whom might be killed as a result of HTS activities.  I would hope that even those who support the war would oppose anthropological participation in HTS for this reason.

As for the legality of the war: the UN Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory, says that countries can go to war in self-defense or if they are backed by a UN resolution.  Neither was the case when the US invaded Iraq.  It is clearly, as Kofi Annan says, an illegal war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthropologists have been especially concerned about participating in the war in Iraq compared to members of other disciplines because of our unique methodology, which imposes unique ethical obligations.  Historians on the whole (Zachary is an exception) work with documents.  Psychologists interact with human subjects in a transitory, highly stylized way.  But anthropologists cultivate warm, ongoing relationships with research subjects when they do research well.  The AAA&#8217;s statement on HTS said nothing about the legality or justness of the war; it fretted about obligations to human subjects, some of whom might be killed as a result of HTS activities.  I would hope that even those who support the war would oppose anthropological participation in HTS for this reason.</p>
<p>As for the legality of the war: the UN Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory, says that countries can go to war in self-defense or if they are backed by a UN resolution.  Neither was the case when the US invaded Iraq.  It is clearly, as Kofi Annan says, an illegal war.</p>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Round Up #24 &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wednesday Round Up #24 &#171; Neuroanthropology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wynn, The Disciplinary Terrain of Objections to HTS Are only anthropologists deeply concerned by Human Terrain Systems? Plenty of reader debate over at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gonzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

Again, thank you for the unnecessary but appreciated response.  I looked at the link you provided.  Very interesting.  You are probably right that legal scholars have debated this issue thoroughly.  I think, that if the war was in fact illegal, we would have heard a much bigger stink than has been the case.  I&#039;m still leaning towards not illegal for the war in Iraq.   But Afghanistan is not marred with questions of illegality, is it?  Alas, these questions are very much a different topic.  

Thanks, again, for your blog.

Gonzo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>Again, thank you for the unnecessary but appreciated response.  I looked at the link you provided.  Very interesting.  You are probably right that legal scholars have debated this issue thoroughly.  I think, that if the war was in fact illegal, we would have heard a much bigger stink than has been the case.  I&#8217;m still leaning towards not illegal for the war in Iraq.   But Afghanistan is not marred with questions of illegality, is it?  Alas, these questions are very much a different topic.  </p>
<p>Thanks, again, for your blog.</p>
<p>Gonzo</p>
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