Comments on: Citizenship and voting http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/citizenship-and-voting/ Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:11:25 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Jon http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/citizenship-and-voting/#comment-3685 Jon Wed, 21 May 2008 12:02:50 +0000 http://culturematters.wordpress.com/?p=357#comment-3685 Small correction - the plans for ID cards in Britain are at an early stage, are very controversial and becoming increasingly unpopular, and the opposition parties have rejected them, so there's still a chance that ID cards will not be made compulsory here. Small correction – the plans for ID cards in Britain are at an early stage, are very controversial and becoming increasingly unpopular, and the opposition parties have rejected them, so there’s still a chance that ID cards will not be made compulsory here.

]]> By: Daniel Rosenblatt http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/citizenship-and-voting/#comment-3644 Daniel Rosenblatt Tue, 20 May 2008 13:44:43 +0000 http://culturematters.wordpress.com/?p=357#comment-3644 It would be better to say that the ostensible purpose of these laws is to prevent illegal immigrants from voting. In fact they reflect a calculation on the part of the Republican Party that those citizens who like identification are also those who are more likely to vote Democratic. Really the laws are an attempt to suppress participation by legal voters. It would be better to say that the ostensible purpose of these laws is to prevent illegal immigrants from voting. In fact they reflect a calculation on the part of the Republican Party that those citizens who like identification are also those who are more likely to vote Democratic. Really the laws are an attempt to suppress participation by legal voters.

]]> By: Stentor http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/citizenship-and-voting/#comment-3594 Stentor Fri, 16 May 2008 04:22:37 +0000 http://culturematters.wordpress.com/?p=357#comment-3594 The idea that undocumented immigrants are voting in the US *should* be absurd -- even the proponents of these voter ID laws (which are on the books in a number of states, including Arizona where I live) have admitted that they don't have any evidence of voter fraud that ID laws would prevent. And while the US may have some de jure and de facto sanctuary cities, undocumented immigrants -- as well as many Latin@s with legal status -- are afraid to go out in the street because of the anti-Latin-immigration climate. The idea that undocumented immigrants are voting in the US *should* be absurd — even the proponents of these voter ID laws (which are on the books in a number of states, including Arizona where I live) have admitted that they don’t have any evidence of voter fraud that ID laws would prevent.

And while the US may have some de jure and de facto sanctuary cities, undocumented immigrants — as well as many Latin@s with legal status — are afraid to go out in the street because of the anti-Latin-immigration climate.

]]> By: Jacob http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/citizenship-and-voting/#comment-3591 Jacob Tue, 13 May 2008 15:05:13 +0000 http://culturematters.wordpress.com/?p=357#comment-3591 I'm not sure about the idea that illegal immigrants in Europe don't go out on the streets; in fact, in France (at least in Paris and Lille) there are weekly demonstrations by "Sans-Papiers", mostly North & West-African undocumented migrants in public squares/streets. Not to mention the fact that many undocumented migrants across Europe make their livings on the streets in highly visible locations. I’m not sure about the idea that illegal immigrants in Europe don’t go out on the streets; in fact, in France (at least in Paris and Lille) there are weekly demonstrations by “Sans-Papiers”, mostly North & West-African undocumented migrants in public squares/streets. Not to mention the fact that many undocumented migrants across Europe make their livings on the streets in highly visible locations.

]]> By: thinkingdifference http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/citizenship-and-voting/#comment-3590 thinkingdifference Tue, 13 May 2008 14:42:17 +0000 http://culturematters.wordpress.com/?p=357#comment-3590 interesting article and reflections, indeed. modern citizenship seems to be intrinsically connected to that of a nation-state, so in a way requiring proof of citizenship is reinforcing the idea that rights belong to those who are part of the nation. but your reflection on the fact that in Europe, this whole thing would be unconceivable from the start because nobody would even think of immigrants in relation to voting is really interesting - it may be that in the case of immigration countries like the US, Canada or Australia, the idea of the immigrant has been quite differently conceived from Europe, yet even these immigration countries fell back on the nation-state model and adopted it in spite of its problems. interesting article and reflections, indeed. modern citizenship seems to be intrinsically connected to that of a nation-state, so in a way requiring proof of citizenship is reinforcing the idea that rights belong to those who are part of the nation. but your reflection on the fact that in Europe, this whole thing would be unconceivable from the start because nobody would even think of immigrants in relation to voting is really interesting – it may be that in the case of immigration countries like the US, Canada or Australia, the idea of the immigrant has been quite differently conceived from Europe, yet even these immigration countries fell back on the nation-state model and adopted it in spite of its problems.

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