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	<title>Comments on: The Second Life of Sacred Sites</title>
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		<title>By: Jovan</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-second-life-of-sacred-sites/#comment-2700</link>
		<dc:creator>Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taran, I think we&#039;re essentially saying the same thing here.  I essentially saying that there should be consultation with the traditional owners about what they think should be done with the virtual sacred site rather than simply assuming that they would want to have it removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taran, I think we&#8217;re essentially saying the same thing here.  I essentially saying that there should be consultation with the traditional owners about what they think should be done with the virtual sacred site rather than simply assuming that they would want to have it removed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jovan</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-second-life-of-sacred-sites/#comment-2699</link>
		<dc:creator>Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Matt.  I had a quick look at the presentation and it looked extremely interesting.  Good to see that technology is being used in such innovative ways, consultation is actually happening with the groups involved (something that seems to be in short supply these days! a la NT Intervention)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Matt.  I had a quick look at the presentation and it looked extremely interesting.  Good to see that technology is being used in such innovative ways, consultation is actually happening with the groups involved (something that seems to be in short supply these days! a la NT Intervention)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Moore</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-second-life-of-sacred-sites/#comment-2697</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an alternative approach to applying digital technology to aboriginal culture, have a look at Troy Maile&#039;s presentation here: http://www.actkm.org/presentations.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an alternative approach to applying digital technology to aboriginal culture, have a look at Troy Maile&#8217;s presentation here: <a href="http://www.actkm.org/presentations.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.actkm.org/presentations.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-second-life-of-sacred-sites/#comment-2638</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think there’s a danger in assuming we know what is best for Indigenous people, even when our intentions are good.&quot;

You&#039;re preaching to the choir, but after having taken what was once a commons and commoditizing it, isn&#039;t this more about who has the rights to use virtual and real aspects instead of protecting things?

I&#039;m no anthropologist, but I have dealt with indigenous peoples around the world and there is one common thing that people - including anthropologists - tend to forget: People don&#039;t miss something until they don&#039;t have it anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think there’s a danger in assuming we know what is best for Indigenous people, even when our intentions are good.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re preaching to the choir, but after having taken what was once a commons and commoditizing it, isn&#8217;t this more about who has the rights to use virtual and real aspects instead of protecting things?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no anthropologist, but I have dealt with indigenous peoples around the world and there is one common thing that people &#8211; including anthropologists &#8211; tend to forget: People don&#8217;t miss something until they don&#8217;t have it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jovan</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-second-life-of-sacred-sites/#comment-2610</link>
		<dc:creator>Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Taran.  I understand the sentiment you&#039;re expressing, and I support the idea that if the Anangu people want the virtual Uluru taken down their wishes should be respected.  On the other hand, I&#039;m not sure that this is what they want.  The article seemed to suggest to me that the issue for them was more who has control over the reproduction and how it may be accessed and by whom.  It may well be that some sort of &#039;culturally sensitive&#039; solution is possible.  

I think there&#039;s a danger in assuming we know what is best for Indigenous people, even when our intentions are good.  This is a key point to the discussion about the paternalism of the NT Intervention we&#039;ve been having on this blog.  One of the major problems with the government policy is that there is virtually no consultation with Aboriginal people themselves.

So in relationship to the Second Life case, we might also think that their culture is &#039;opposed&#039; to making money, or &#039;opposed&#039; to technology,  but that says more about our assumptions about Aborigines in general rather than the desires of this group of Aboriginal people in question.  Anthropologists who have looked at these sorts of questions often find that Indigenous people can have very surprising (to us) views on the appropriate use of technology, and can employ it in unexpected ways.  This is one of the reasons that ethnographic studies, which attempt to find out what people themselves think and do about these issues, are so important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Taran.  I understand the sentiment you&#8217;re expressing, and I support the idea that if the Anangu people want the virtual Uluru taken down their wishes should be respected.  On the other hand, I&#8217;m not sure that this is what they want.  The article seemed to suggest to me that the issue for them was more who has control over the reproduction and how it may be accessed and by whom.  It may well be that some sort of &#8216;culturally sensitive&#8217; solution is possible.  </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a danger in assuming we know what is best for Indigenous people, even when our intentions are good.  This is a key point to the discussion about the paternalism of the NT Intervention we&#8217;ve been having on this blog.  One of the major problems with the government policy is that there is virtually no consultation with Aboriginal people themselves.</p>
<p>So in relationship to the Second Life case, we might also think that their culture is &#8216;opposed&#8217; to making money, or &#8216;opposed&#8217; to technology,  but that says more about our assumptions about Aborigines in general rather than the desires of this group of Aboriginal people in question.  Anthropologists who have looked at these sorts of questions often find that Indigenous people can have very surprising (to us) views on the appropriate use of technology, and can employ it in unexpected ways.  This is one of the reasons that ethnographic studies, which attempt to find out what people themselves think and do about these issues, are so important.</p>
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		<title>By: Second Life News for October 25, 2007 &#171; The Grid Live</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-second-life-of-sacred-sites/#comment-2601</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Life News for October 25, 2007 &#171; The Grid Live</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Second Life of Sacred Sites Ute Eickelkamp put me onto a really fascinating article that appeared recently about legal and cultural issues arising due to real world locations being recreated in the online world Second Life. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Second Life of Sacred Sites Ute Eickelkamp put me onto a really fascinating article that appeared recently about legal and cultural issues arising due to real world locations being recreated in the online world Second Life. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad</title>
		<link>http://culturematters.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-second-life-of-sacred-sites/#comment-2600</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be simple enough to remove the virtual Uluru as a show of respect for a culture that requests it. To measure a few dollars against the request of others seems idiotic... and very Western. 

Digital culture is constantly at odds with the concept of ownership. The only reason Big Pond would keep it is simply to get press. It is a shame that the press would even be considered more valuable than the wishes of an indigenous culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be simple enough to remove the virtual Uluru as a show of respect for a culture that requests it. To measure a few dollars against the request of others seems idiotic&#8230; and very Western. </p>
<p>Digital culture is constantly at odds with the concept of ownership. The only reason Big Pond would keep it is simply to get press. It is a shame that the press would even be considered more valuable than the wishes of an indigenous culture.</p>
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