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	<title>Comments on: Dr. Zachary Schrag on ethics, IRB &amp; ethnography</title>
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		<title>By: Antro DJ &#187; W INTERNECIE O ETYCE ANTROPOLOGA</title>
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		<description>[...] samego bloga opowiadających o pracach komisji etycznych oceniających projekty badań (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4). Jeden z członków takiej komisji snuje refleksje na temat jej działania, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Cycle of Ethics Review (Ethics review part 4) &#171; Culture Matters</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Cycle of Ethics Review (Ethics review part 4) &#171; Culture Matters</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Zachary Schrag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary Schrag</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;One does not need IRB approval to live and move in public&quot;?
Review of projects by faculty &quot;best versed in the area of study&quot;?
No imposition of &quot;inappropriate ethical standards, procedures, or expectations on some disciplines&quot;?

Are you sure we&#039;re talking about a university ethics committee here?

Seriously, the system you describe is far superior than any university-wide system I have read about. I do encourage you and your colleagues to write up a complete description for circulation to other universities. Among other details, I would like to know:

* What training must various researchers undergo, and who decides what is necessary? (E.g., can oral historians avoid learning about venipuncture? Historians only draw blood when reviewing books.)

* How many members must the committee have, in order to maintain sufficient &quot;color-coded sub-groups [to] do the preliminary and most serious review of applications for which they have special expertise&quot;? 

* How did this system come to be, and have you encountered any flak from within the university or government regulators?

I must say, though, that the unusual sophistication and sensitivity of the system you describe undercuts your earlier argument that &quot;to understand that we have less to fear from IRBs than we might expect, we need to better understand their composition and conduct.&quot; I can&#039;t speak for Katz, but I know enough IRB/HREC critics to state that many of us earned our antipathy, as researchers or even as members of ethics committees (see, for example, Christopher Leo&#039;s recent essay, &quot;Does the Ethics Bureaucracy Pose a Threat to Critical Research?&quot;). For such critics, the more we understand IRBs, the less we like them. We have tasted the green eggs and ham, and found them putrid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One does not need IRB approval to live and move in public&#8221;?<br />
Review of projects by faculty &#8220;best versed in the area of study&#8221;?<br />
No imposition of &#8220;inappropriate ethical standards, procedures, or expectations on some disciplines&#8221;?</p>
<p>Are you sure we&#8217;re talking about a university ethics committee here?</p>
<p>Seriously, the system you describe is far superior than any university-wide system I have read about. I do encourage you and your colleagues to write up a complete description for circulation to other universities. Among other details, I would like to know:</p>
<p>* What training must various researchers undergo, and who decides what is necessary? (E.g., can oral historians avoid learning about venipuncture? Historians only draw blood when reviewing books.)</p>
<p>* How many members must the committee have, in order to maintain sufficient &#8220;color-coded sub-groups [to] do the preliminary and most serious review of applications for which they have special expertise&#8221;? </p>
<p>* How did this system come to be, and have you encountered any flak from within the university or government regulators?</p>
<p>I must say, though, that the unusual sophistication and sensitivity of the system you describe undercuts your earlier argument that &#8220;to understand that we have less to fear from IRBs than we might expect, we need to better understand their composition and conduct.&#8221; I can&#8217;t speak for Katz, but I know enough IRB/HREC critics to state that many of us earned our antipathy, as researchers or even as members of ethics committees (see, for example, Christopher Leo&#8217;s recent essay, &#8220;Does the Ethics Bureaucracy Pose a Threat to Critical Research?&#8221;). For such critics, the more we understand IRBs, the less we like them. We have tasted the green eggs and ham, and found them putrid.</p>
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